Saturday, December 12, 2009
When Bloggers Get Fooled
By Rob Bralow, Editor
I want to start this blog post with an apology to Randy Watson, The Wine Whore. And I apologize, because I have to call him out on a recent blog post of his.
Currently there are hundreds of wine bloggers. There has been an explosion of wine writing on the Internet and there are now more voices than ever giving people advice, relating experiences, and generally spreading the word about the virtues of wines and their producers.
One of the main topics of conversation among blogs and other bloggers is the dominance of the reviewing publications. The main five are (in alphabetical order) International Wine Cellar, Wine & Spirits, Wine Advocate, Wine Enthusiast, and Wine Spectator. There are other internationally recognized publication such as Decanter and Penin Guide, but by and large those five are the only publications in the US that retailers use to sell their wines.
There is plenty of argument on the use of the scores of these publications, and on scoring in general. There are many discussions on the marketing towards these publications and the influence of marketing on ratings. There was also a lot of navel gazing regarding the ethics of receiving samples, advertising, press trips, meals, etc. by wineries. The US government has even posted new interpretations on the laws of advertising specifically for bloggers (something I wrote about back in April, before it hit the wine blogosphere... goes to show how important I am in this community).
That is all well and good. Everyone has decided where their ethical compass points them.
So then I came across a post by Randy, giving praise to a winery that told him that they do not submit their samples to "corporate tasting panels, yet still looking for online reviews and general presence..." Randy, a self proclaimed whore for wine samples, praised this winery for not feeling pressured into submitting to these reviewing publications and how honest and genuine this winery is. You can read Randy's entire write-up for yourself.
I am in the marketing business, I work in public relations for several wine companies and regions. When I hear that a winery does not submit their wines to the reviewing and rating publications, I get somewhat curious. Why not? You can always tell them no when they come begging for advertising revenue. I also get curious to see if what they say is actually true and that their wines are in fact NOT submitted to the reviewing publications. So first I looked on the winery's website and found this:
Our winery "does not submit to professional competitions, nor do we submit our wines to for-profit corporations seeking advertisement revenues (in exchange for numeric scores.)"
Fair enough. That seems to be completely consistent with what Randy reported. In fact it seems that this winery has done a great deal reaching out to bloggers and other online reviewing outlets. There is a long list of blog posts discussing the wines (probably in positive tones, although I have not read them all). The prices of the wines are all standard prices for Russian River Valley wines. Nothing too pricey, but in the $25 - $40 range.
I then went to the reviewing publications (since I have subscriptions to all of them). In the International Wine Cellar and Wine Advocate I could not find the wines listed, which surprised me because neither of these publications accept advertising. I then checked the Wine Enthusiast and Wine Spectator (both publications that accept advertising and send their reps out with a vengeance) and in both of these publications they had their wines rated, as recently as last year's release in Wine Enthusiast, although the late rated wine in Wine Spectator was several year's ago. This entire process took me less than five minutes.
So what happened here? Did Wine Spectator and Wine Enthusiast purchase these wines, just to give them mediocre reviews? I think there is probably enough wine out there that neither Spectator nor Enthusiast need to be purchasing wines.
I am not writing this post to call out the winery. I am sure this type of thing happens all the time and there might even be a very good explanation of why these reviewing publications have ratings of these wines. I really wanted to relate that my experience has been that bloggers rarely do the research to verify the marketing of the samples they get. If you want to be taken seriously as a wine writer, do your research, ask questions, take nothing for granted just because the winery told you so. Perhaps this makes my job harder. But it also means that I need to be more authentic. It is my job to be an educator, to teach the writers, reviews, bloggers, and everyone else about my clients. One of my favorite parts of this industry is that there is always a story to tell.
Randy said he did not get any marketing materials, only a nice hand-written note with his samples. I would argue that he did get marketing materials. And evidently they were rather persuasive.
I want to start this blog post with an apology to Randy Watson, The Wine Whore. And I apologize, because I have to call him out on a recent blog post of his.
Currently there are hundreds of wine bloggers. There has been an explosion of wine writing on the Internet and there are now more voices than ever giving people advice, relating experiences, and generally spreading the word about the virtues of wines and their producers.
One of the main topics of conversation among blogs and other bloggers is the dominance of the reviewing publications. The main five are (in alphabetical order) International Wine Cellar, Wine & Spirits, Wine Advocate, Wine Enthusiast, and Wine Spectator. There are other internationally recognized publication such as Decanter and Penin Guide, but by and large those five are the only publications in the US that retailers use to sell their wines.
There is plenty of argument on the use of the scores of these publications, and on scoring in general. There are many discussions on the marketing towards these publications and the influence of marketing on ratings. There was also a lot of navel gazing regarding the ethics of receiving samples, advertising, press trips, meals, etc. by wineries. The US government has even posted new interpretations on the laws of advertising specifically for bloggers (something I wrote about back in April, before it hit the wine blogosphere... goes to show how important I am in this community).
That is all well and good. Everyone has decided where their ethical compass points them.
So then I came across a post by Randy, giving praise to a winery that told him that they do not submit their samples to "corporate tasting panels, yet still looking for online reviews and general presence..." Randy, a self proclaimed whore for wine samples, praised this winery for not feeling pressured into submitting to these reviewing publications and how honest and genuine this winery is. You can read Randy's entire write-up for yourself.
I am in the marketing business, I work in public relations for several wine companies and regions. When I hear that a winery does not submit their wines to the reviewing and rating publications, I get somewhat curious. Why not? You can always tell them no when they come begging for advertising revenue. I also get curious to see if what they say is actually true and that their wines are in fact NOT submitted to the reviewing publications. So first I looked on the winery's website and found this:
Our winery "does not submit to professional competitions, nor do we submit our wines to for-profit corporations seeking advertisement revenues (in exchange for numeric scores.)"
Fair enough. That seems to be completely consistent with what Randy reported. In fact it seems that this winery has done a great deal reaching out to bloggers and other online reviewing outlets. There is a long list of blog posts discussing the wines (probably in positive tones, although I have not read them all). The prices of the wines are all standard prices for Russian River Valley wines. Nothing too pricey, but in the $25 - $40 range.
I then went to the reviewing publications (since I have subscriptions to all of them). In the International Wine Cellar and Wine Advocate I could not find the wines listed, which surprised me because neither of these publications accept advertising. I then checked the Wine Enthusiast and Wine Spectator (both publications that accept advertising and send their reps out with a vengeance) and in both of these publications they had their wines rated, as recently as last year's release in Wine Enthusiast, although the late rated wine in Wine Spectator was several year's ago. This entire process took me less than five minutes.
So what happened here? Did Wine Spectator and Wine Enthusiast purchase these wines, just to give them mediocre reviews? I think there is probably enough wine out there that neither Spectator nor Enthusiast need to be purchasing wines.
I am not writing this post to call out the winery. I am sure this type of thing happens all the time and there might even be a very good explanation of why these reviewing publications have ratings of these wines. I really wanted to relate that my experience has been that bloggers rarely do the research to verify the marketing of the samples they get. If you want to be taken seriously as a wine writer, do your research, ask questions, take nothing for granted just because the winery told you so. Perhaps this makes my job harder. But it also means that I need to be more authentic. It is my job to be an educator, to teach the writers, reviews, bloggers, and everyone else about my clients. One of my favorite parts of this industry is that there is always a story to tell.
Randy said he did not get any marketing materials, only a nice hand-written note with his samples. I would argue that he did get marketing materials. And evidently they were rather persuasive.
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When Bloggers Get Fooled
2009-12-12T12:15:00-05:00
Rob Bralow
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Randy Watson · 798 weeks ago
Just because it was rated doesn't necessarily mean that they submitted it to these publications...
I'll let the winery answer this question for themselves.
Cheers!
RobBralow 61p · 798 weeks ago
Randy Watson · 798 weeks ago
Steve Heimoff · 797 weeks ago
RobBralow 61p · 797 weeks ago
Steve Heimoff · 797 weeks ago
RobBralow 61p · 797 weeks ago
Randy Watson · 797 weeks ago
Rob, your point is definitely well taken!
RobBralow 61p · 797 weeks ago
Randy Watson · 797 weeks ago
In any case, I have to hand it to you, this was a great post!
Cheers!
RobBralow 61p · 797 weeks ago
Let me know next time you are in NY and we'll grab a drink.
Randy Watson · 797 weeks ago
I'll be looking forward to it! :)
StrumErika · 797 weeks ago
By the way, certainly never heard of anybody paying for a sample, as Steve stated.
Randy Pitts · 796 weeks ago
Randy Pitts · 796 weeks ago
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that RP, WE and WS like big, powerful wines and they rate them high. I also thought the concept of reducing a review down to a number was lame. That's why I quit the number/medal thing. Randy Watson uses his words to describe the wines he tastes and doesn't give puffs, medals, smokes or numbers. That interests me, thus I sent him wine. He has no financial motivation to rate them either. I've yet to receive a letter from him requesting I pay for marketing on his site.
Just because I submitted before to these places, doesn't mean I didn't learn my lesson. I did. I don't get the problem... We made big wines in the beginning, got a few good scores, realized this type of style the reviewers like made for a tough drinking experience, quit submitting and now go DTC. We're allowed to change our minds, right?
RobBralow 61p · 796 weeks ago
My main goal was to point out how little bloggers really research their information. One quick check of the websites and an e-mail to you would have changed the entire picture, but The Wine Whore did not and I wanted to make that a lesson in and of itself. I think that Randy Watson agrees with me.
Again, thank you so much for your comments! I think many wineries are afraid to enter the fray and you have proven (to me at least) that you have some authenticity.
Randy Watson · 796 weeks ago
RobBralow 61p · 796 weeks ago
What would checking my facts have entailed? E-mailing you to see if you had asked the winery about this discrepancy? And did you? Randy Pitts explained himself and the winery to my full satisfaction here in the comments. My point was that bloggers looking to be taken seriously should go that extra mile to double check everything. You Mr. Whore are a PROLIFIC blogger. You blog more than I could possible imagine. And I know that while you admittedly will blog for samples (or have samples, will blog) that you also have a strong code of ethics in how you blog.
Randy Watson · 796 weeks ago
I'd just like to say, on a positive note, Happy Holidays to you and your family!
Cheers!
RobBralow 61p · 796 weeks ago